The Incredible Shrinking Palestine

April 27, 2008

Now, if your country went from this to this (see below) in just 60 years, how would you feel?

Not even the US has the cheek to do this to the Iraqi people. Can you imagine if they tried to move all Iraqi’s into similar small areas and enclaves. There be a little more than an incursion, I’d say. And rightfully, so too.

I’m a fan of Israel and a Jewish homeland. But this expansion seems a tad excessive and should have scant truck with the International community and UN. Surely, Jewish colonial exercises could be expanded to other parts of the world (ala The British Empire), that would welcome their infrastructure, investment and civilization. Some areas in Africa, Asia and various under developed Islands could be perfect locations for Israeli colonies.

But maybe, give a little land and autonomy back to the Palestinians first. Is that unreasonable?

8 Responses to “The Incredible Shrinking Palestine”

  1. M.R. Kelly said

    Whatever for? They have demonstrated that they are nothing more that thugs, in plain English. They target innocent civilians, woman, children, that have nothing to do with their cause. And what, pray tell, have Palestinians contributed to civilization? Besides terrorism, of course. Face it, they could not survive without Israel wiping their collective asses.

  2. richard777 said

    RE: “they target innocent civilians, woman, children” you mean like Israel has targeted the same to be moved into ghetto’s seen above on our map of The Incredible Shrinking Palestine. Israel is a great state and a necessity, bit it is not innocent. It is a colonial power, oppressing and displacing a group of people who are fighting back. At least Australia picked Aborigines to screw who are a rather docile people. But Arabs, well, that’s a different kettle of fish. They’ll fight for 500 years.

    I’m OK with Colonialism, the look for and spread of ‘lebensraum’ for the West, that the Jewish people and Israel are an important and vital part of! But don’t kid yourself its anything other than Colonialism…

    Can’t Israel go back to the 1967 borders? Or some form of compromise between map 4 and 3, above? Then Israel can expand its domain into other parts of the world?

    I do agree that the Palestinians should stop terrorist attacks, to give such ideas time to develop. And the infighting between radical Palestinian groups does not help any, either. They have to keep their own house in order.

    What do you think M. R. Kelly?

  3. M.R. Kelly said

    I do agree that it’s Colonialism, something that Israel shares with many nations, including the United States from where I hail. But Israel has already given back a good portion of Gaza and still, that’s not good enough. If it was about land and oil, I could accept that but the Palestinians–and others such as that tyrant who heads Iran–want to completely obliterate the Jewish State off the map.

    You’re right about Arabs fighting for centuries. It’s unfortunate that the Israelis (I am reluctant to say Jews because there are other groups who call Israel home as well) selected such a hostile area in which to settle. I often question that decision but I realize it’s Biblical in nature.

  4. richard777 said

    I can fully see the Israeli side of the story and sympathize. The need for a Jewish State is obvious after the unfortunate disaster visited upon the Jewish people in WW2. It’s true that Iran would like nothing better than Israel’s complete obliteration.

    As you say the area is very hostile for Israeli/Jewish expansion, thats why I suggested colonies in Africa, Asia, etc?

    Israel should be wary of the US, too. While it is its strongest ally, the winds of time can alter the landscape and one can’t help but see the US after many bloody wars in the region in the next 20 to 30 years, double crossing Israel. The US is crazy Christian and want the book of Revelation style Apocalypse in their heart of hearts. Accept not on their soil, on yours! As a friend of Israel, I recommend they should watch the US very closely, especially their Saudi dealings.

    The Biblical trip as justification for Israel I dig, in an anthropological sense. But Israeli’s need to get over all this religious crap. Its religion that is fueling the suicide bombers. Believe what you want to believe privately but in the political arena, a secular state, while not fully possible in Israel, is inevitably desirable.

    I recommend buying the Palestinians if thats possible. Give them some land and a State in a peace deal. But more importantly give them malls, sports fields and soccer teams, some decent possessions, HD tv’s, video games… they’ll soon go to sleep like the rest of the world. As long as they remain poor, desperate and dislocated they’ll fight.

  5. Greg Maxwell said

    Richie, richie, richie. The Pallys don’t want a state, they want the destruction of Israel. Nothing will placate them and they’re forever going to be the active arm of the rest of the Arab world’s anti-semitism.

    Much of the early history of the Arab-Israeli conflict is casually glossed over or completely ignored in most discussions of the catastrophe that exists in that part of the world.

    The default position of many in the West seems to be that everything that befalls the poor, vicitmized Palestinians is, by definition, Israel’s fault. ( A perfect example of this nonsense can be foundin the fact that the UN blames Israel for the fact that Hamas is dumping sewage into the Mediterranean sea and polluting the entire area). It’s said that Arabs are easy to like but hard to respect and Israelis are difficult to like, but impossible not to respect. It sometimes seems that this sort of shallow percption is at the heart of the anti-Israel sentiment in the west.

    The West for the most part has the attitude that somehow, allowing the Palestinians or their Muslim “brothers” to suffer the consequences of their choices and behavior would somehow be “punishing them” in some horrible fashion. A typical proponent of this attitude is former President Jimmy (I completely falsified my Navy Nuclear Scientist qualifications) Carter, who has consistently and regularly advocated that Israel’s actions should be punished, but that the Palestinians must be given a free pass by civilization.

    Carter blithely discusses the “devastating consequences” of Israel or American actions, but I have yet to see him–or any others who put forth the same compassionate view– grapple with the “devastating consequences” of the Hamas charter. Or of suicide bombers. Or of the intent, stated repeatedly by the leaders of the Palestinians and sanctioned by the Palestinian people who voted to elect Hamas, to destroy Israel.

    Carter and the other terrorist enablers of the West ignore Palestinian behavior with the cultivated cognitive dissonance of today’s postmodern left. The obsession of the West with the eternal victimhood cult of the Palestinians has been the single biggest psychological impediment toward peace in that region.

    Why should the Palestinians’ behavior ever change? What could possibly motivate them to be civilized? Or deal honestly with Israel? They have every reason to believe that the Carters of the world will always let them off the hook–and bail them out–no matter what they do or how badly they behave.

    This free pass has been in effect for almost 100 years. That is several generations now raised on lies, distortions, and total dysfunction. Interestingly, the original Palestinian refugees saw things somewhat more clearly than their descendents who still live in the squalid camps they were forced into by their compassionate Arab neighbors.

    This article :
    has a few real facts about the history of Palestine and Israel.

    Today’s Palestinian society is almost wholly constructed on a cesspool of swirling self-destructive rationalizations, encouraged by their Muslim brothers who are perfectly happy to maintain the victimhood of the Palestinian people as long as it can be used to rationalize and cover for their own dysfunctional societies.

    They don’t want peace. They don’t want to live in their own state if Israel exists. They don’t care about the suffering of innocent people – either Israelis or Palestinians. They don’t care, because they have no honor. They are incapable of goodwill. They have no leader with any integrity. They have nothing but their hatred.

    So this generation of Palestinians are mercilessly indoctrinated into hate and death. They parade and dance around with their UN-funded banners, pretending that they are real men; shooting guns in the air and setting things on fire; preparing their children for future suicide missions.

    What they are is tantrum throwing children.

  6. richard777 said

    Greg, Greg, Greg sure your right about a lot of the situation and the Palestinian’s non desire for peace and rampant militancy, but do you think the Israeli’s are completely innocent in this situation? Have they not moved there only 60 years ago? Before that a British occupational force, etc.

    The Palestinian’s are more than tantrum throwing children. They are a mortally and fatally pissed off people, with Greater support in the Arab and Muslim world, which to be honest is no small group or people.

    The Final Solution to the Palestinian Question exists, by example, already in Jewish History. Genocide. If they could only hide if from the world, the way the Nazi’s did, they might get away with it.

    I say this as the darkest joke of course, the genocide option is not open Israel, though some from the Left claim a sort of genocide is underway with the Palestinian situation. I disagree. Given the State of Israel, it needs defending and the Israeli’s aren’t to shabby at that…

    Genocide. Is it always bad? It certainly ends an argument between two groups, when one side is all dead. Don’t you agree? JOKE! JOKE!

    But true all the same, you have to admit…

  7. zohar bar said

    posted by Dr. Harry Mandelbaum
    March 10, 2003
    Unknown to most of the world population, the origin of the “Palestinian” Arabs’ claim to the Holy Land spans a period of a meager 30 years – a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of years of the region’s rich history.
    At the beginning of the 20th century, there were practically no Arabs in the Holy Land. By contrast, the Jews, despite 2000 years of persecution and forced conversions by various conquerors, have always been the majority population there. When General Allenby, the commander of the British military forces, conquered Palestine in 1917/1918, only about 5000 Arabs resided there. Other Muslims in the area either came from Turkey under the Ottoman Empire, or were the descendents of Jews and Christians who were forcefully converted to Islam by the Muslim conquerors. None of these other Muslims were of Arab origin.
    The local inhabitants did not call themselves “Palestinians”. The concept of a “Palestinian” to describe the local residents had not yet been invented; neither was there ever in history a “Palestinian Arab” nation. None of today’s Arabs have any ancestral relationship to the original Biblical Philistines who are now extinct. Even Arab historians have admitted Palestine never existed.
    In 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission: “There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us.”
    In 1946, Princeton’s Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: “It’s common knowledge, there is no such thing as Palestine in history.”
    In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw: “The ‘Palestinian people’ does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel.”
    Mark Twain – Samuel Clemens, the famous author of “Huckleberry Finn” and “Tom Sawyer”, took a tour of the Holy Land in 1867. This is how he described that land: “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
    In 1874, Reverend Samuel Manning wrote: “But where were the inhabitants? This fertile plain, which might support an immense population, is almost a solitude…. Day by day we were to learn afresh the lesson now forced upon us, that the denunciations of ancient prophecy have been fulfilled to the very letter — `the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants.'”
    Here is a report that the Palestinian Royal Commission, created by the British, made. It quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea in 1913: “The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the [Jewish] Yabna village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.”
    The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine after 1918, from neighboring Arab countries, predominantly from areas now known as Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. None of these countries existed as nations prior to 1913. They were nothing but a disorganized collection of tribes, constantly terrorizing each other, trying to seize land from their neighbors. Unfortunately, those Arab immigrants, imported into the Holy Land their age-old culture of terrorizing neighbors to seize land. Many of them were social outcasts and criminals who could not find jobs in their own countries so they searched for their luck elsewhere. Some of them were accepted by the British regime as a source of cheap labor and were allowed to settle on unoccupied Jewish land in Palestine. Even Yassir Arafat, the leader of the PLO, is not a native of the Holy Land. He was born in 1929 in Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956. He then moved to Saudi-Arabia and founded the Al-Fatah terror organization, the precursor to the PLO, in Kuwait in 1958, together with his Saudi-Arabian friends.
    Lewis French, the British Director of Development wrote about the Arabs in Palestine: “We found it inhabited by fellahin (Arab farmers) who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria… Large areas were uncultivated… The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbor these and other criminals. The individual plots changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin’s lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbors, the bedouin (Arab nomads).”
    The governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey El Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to Palestine. Even British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Holy Land, noted in 1939 that “far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied.”
    The grandparents of the author’s wife were born in the Holy Land in the 19th century. They saw with their own eyes how empty the land was at the time. They also lived through and experienced first-hand the British conquest and the Arab immigration that followed. This immigration ended in 1948 with the evacuation of the British from the land and the declaration of the state of Israel.
    If there is anyone who still believes that the “Palestinian” nation ever existed before 1948, would they please be kind enough to answer when was it founded and by whom? What was its form of government? What were its borders? Name at least one top “Palestinian” leader before Arafat? Which country ever recognized its existence and when? In which library or museum can we find any of its literature, coins, or historical artifacts?
    The real problem facing those Arabs today is not the lack of a homeland. The historical root-cause of their problem and frustration is the fact that the countries they came from have not agreed to accept them back in. This is why so many of them live, up until today, in refugee camps, in neighboring Arab countries, lacking fundamental civil rights. In their frustration they feel that the only hope and choice they have is to try and steal a country. Many of the vehicles and the agricultural equipment in the Palestinian Authority have been stolen from their Israeli neighbors. For a while, Israel suffered the highest rate of automobile thefts in the world! Most of these stolen vehicles were later found in towns and villages of the Palestinian Authority. If stealing vehicles is so easy, why not try and steal the country too?
    In their propaganda, the Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinians” consistently demand that Israel and the world recognize their pre-1948 rights. That’s about 54 years ago. Mysteriously, they are never willing to add another 54 years to their “historical” claims on the Holy Land. They know very well that doing so will send them back to where they came from – Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. Years ago, during negotiations with the, so-called, Palestinians, someone in Israel proposed to revise a mention of their claim to pre-1948 rights and replace it with pre-1917. The “Palestinians” vehemently opposed. Now we know why.
    The Muslim religion was invented by Muhammad in the 7th century AD, in Saudi Arabia. He never visited Jerusalem and the Holy Land, and did not consider it important enough to be mentioned in the Koran even once. By comparison, the land of the Jewish Holy Temple in Jerusalem was purchased by King David, for the Jewish people, approximately 850 years BCE, and the deed, the name of the previous owner, and the purchase price were recorded in the Bible (See Samuel II Ch. 24 and Chronicles I Ch. 21).
    The best reference for understanding the Muslim-Arab mentality and politicaly-motivated distortion of history is Muhammad’s own words in the Koran: “War is deception”.
    Some Arabs consider themselves the descendants of Abraham, the forefather of the Jewish nation. Ironically, if not for Muhammad’s thorough study of the Bible, the Arabs would not have known of the existence of Abraham. Muhammad studied the Bible in order to be better equipped in his attempts to persuade the Jews to follow his newly invented religion. When the Jews refused, he wrote the Koran – the Muslim bible, and filled it with his own imaginary accounts of Biblical events. He even took the liberty to change the God-given day of rest, Saturday – the Sabbath. Since Sunday was already taken by the Christians, he picked Friday as the next-best Muslim day of rest.
    Today the Muslim “Palestinians” claim to own Temple Mount, the site of the Jewish Holy Temple in Jerusalem. They claim it is “their” holy site. Does anyone in the rest of the world know which way the Muslims in Jerusalem face when they pray? When the Muslims in Jerusalem pray in their mosques, even in the “Al Aktza” mosque built on the edge of Temple Mount, they actually stand with their back turned to Temple Mount. And, when they bow down in their prayers they show their behind to Temple Mount. How consistent is that with considering it a holy site? Visit any mosque in Jerusalem to see it for yourself. The fact is that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran, while Mecca and Medina, the only two Muslim holy cities, are mentioned hundreds of times.
    The Jewish Holy Temple stood on Temple Mount long before the Muslim religion, or any other current world religion was conceived. Even when the founders of the Christian religion walked around in the streets of ancient Jerusalem there were no mosques nor churches there – only the Jewish Holy Temple and nothing else.
    Can any Muslim in the world produce any credible evidence for their connection to this holy site, other than in Muhammad’s dream? Believe it or not, the one and only source for the Muslim’s claim to Jerusalem and the site of the Holy Temple, is a mention in the Koran of a dream that Muhammad had about an unknown “place far away”. Perhaps this “place far away” is the site of the White House in Washington DC?
    There is only one possible solution to the “Palestinians” desire for a homeland. If helping them go back to where they lived 54 years ago is their own definition of justice, then helping them go back to where they lived 108 years ago is, by the same definition, a better justice – double the justice. Let’s all help them get the better justice they deserve – let them go back to where they came from.
    The author permits copying, publication, and distribution of this article without restrictions. For additional information and references about the Israeli-Arab conflict see:

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    zohar “the falcon” bar

  8. WHEW! – hell of a comment stream you got going here. I linked an article to your map: – Hopefully, some of my readers will jump into your thread – i hope so, DIALOGUE is less costly than machine guns and bombs…

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